1 00:00:13,730 --> 00:00:09,770 so my name is SJ I'm from the University 2 00:00:15,620 --> 00:00:13,740 of Nevada Las Vegas I just got there in 3 00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:15,630 January so this is all pretty brand-new 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:18,900 to me as well as to you guys and today 5 00:00:21,859 --> 00:00:19,770 I'm going to be talking about 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:21,869 constraining and elucidating the aqueous 7 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:24,210 history of Gale Crater Mars by examining 8 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:25,590 the a more fish oil component and 9 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:26,910 hopefully I will never hit you with a 10 00:00:32,269 --> 00:00:30,900 sentence that long again so as a brief 11 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:32,279 overview first I'm going to introduce 12 00:00:36,350 --> 00:00:34,500 you to our Amorphis materials because 13 00:00:38,150 --> 00:00:36,360 seven months ago I didn't know what they 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:38,160 are so I don't expect you guys to know 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:40,290 what they are I'll talk a little bit 16 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:41,489 about the motivation for this particular 17 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:43,739 study I'll go into our approach which is 18 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:45,360 two-pronged we have a laboratory in a 19 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:47,940 field component so far and then I'll 20 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:49,170 talk a little bit about each of those 21 00:00:52,549 --> 00:00:50,760 components the synthesis and dissolution 22 00:00:54,979 --> 00:00:52,559 in the laboratory and then the field 23 00:00:57,049 --> 00:00:54,989 work and I'll present some very 24 00:01:00,170 --> 00:00:57,059 preliminary results that we have from 25 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:00,180 some sample analysis so first off the 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:01,530 amorphous materials we're talking about 27 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:03,090 first of all what do I mean when I say 28 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:05,250 amorphis it has to do with x-ray 29 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:07,860 diffraction when you diffract x-rays 30 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:09,630 through a crystal they give you these 31 00:01:14,570 --> 00:01:12,390 nice sharp peaks by which you can tell 32 00:01:17,679 --> 00:01:14,580 the structure of them these materials 33 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,689 they have very short-range atomic order 34 00:01:22,969 --> 00:01:20,159 so they don't make nice sharp peaks they 35 00:01:24,499 --> 00:01:22,979 make broad peaks you can't really get 36 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:24,509 much about the structure from them so we 37 00:01:28,340 --> 00:01:26,490 call them amorphous or nanocrystalline 38 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:28,350 the ones in particular that I'm 39 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:30,420 interested in our alafaya and hiss 40 00:01:34,210 --> 00:01:32,490 injure right alifann is an 41 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:34,220 aluminosilicate his and right is a 42 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:38,340 ferric silicate generally in nature they 43 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:40,799 form porous hollow nano balls they're 44 00:01:46,249 --> 00:01:44,369 about five nanometers across so they're 45 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:46,259 very small they have lots of little tiny 46 00:01:50,450 --> 00:01:48,390 micro pores in them they're great at 47 00:01:52,999 --> 00:01:50,460 absorbing stuff which will become 48 00:01:56,830 --> 00:01:53,009 important at some point possibly not in 49 00:01:59,870 --> 00:01:56,840 this talk on Mars we have detected an 50 00:02:04,370 --> 00:01:59,880 amorphous component of the soil through 51 00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:04,380 xrd we have no idea what it is there's a 52 00:02:08,449 --> 00:02:06,420 lot of hypotheses it could be a lefay 53 00:02:12,260 --> 00:02:08,459 and Kissinger right ferrihydrite which 54 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:12,270 is a ferric oxide basaltic glass opaline 55 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:13,890 silica some people have mention 56 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:15,990 that it could be something that doesn't 57 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:18,150 exist on earth some kind of different 58 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:21,000 phase that we don't see here but in 59 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:23,100 general we just don't know what it is we 60 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:25,410 know it's there it's hard to constrain 61 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:28,530 the mineralogy so terrestrial formation 62 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:30,630 environments for these materials are wet 63 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:33,440 and temperate you'll tend to get them on 64 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:36,209 volcanic slopes in places like Japan 65 00:02:41,630 --> 00:02:40,080 Hawaii New Zealand which really are 66 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:41,640 terrible field sites you would never 67 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:45,650 want to go there but that's encouraging 68 00:02:51,949 --> 00:02:50,130 in terms of Martian history so what 69 00:02:53,570 --> 00:02:51,959 we're trying to do is use the properties 70 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:53,580 of the Martian materials to constrain 71 00:02:57,860 --> 00:02:55,920 Martian surface conditions if these 72 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:57,870 things only form in warm wet 73 00:03:02,240 --> 00:02:59,370 environments and we're seeing them on 74 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:02,250 Mars then presumably we can say that 75 00:03:06,259 --> 00:03:04,680 Mars had warm wet environments sometime 76 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:06,269 it's past so that's something that we 77 00:03:12,620 --> 00:03:08,370 really like to be able to nail down and 78 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,630 say definitively so that leads us right 79 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:14,640 into the motivation we don't have a 80 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:16,350 definitive identification of the margin 81 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:19,560 amorphis component so what is it we 82 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:21,329 haven't found any outcrops of the 83 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:23,850 Martian material we can't go you know 84 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:25,620 through chrism data or higher eyes data 85 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:28,980 or Themis data and say here's an outcrop 86 00:03:35,210 --> 00:03:31,290 of Amorphis material we find it 87 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:35,220 everywhere we found it in the rocknest 88 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:37,560 soil and Gale Crater we found it in the 89 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:40,049 Sheep bed mudstone when curiosity 90 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:41,579 drilled into the mud stone we found it 91 00:03:46,610 --> 00:03:43,860 there a lot of people have hypothesized 92 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:46,620 that the global hydration layer found in 93 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:48,780 the equatorial regions of Mars is hosted 94 00:03:54,289 --> 00:03:50,730 by the same orefice component so 95 00:03:57,530 --> 00:03:54,299 presumably it's very widespread but we 96 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:57,540 don't know where it's coming from the 97 00:04:01,819 --> 00:03:59,010 reason we've chosen alifann and hiss 98 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:01,829 injure right to use as analogs for this 99 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:04,500 material is because their properties 100 00:04:10,009 --> 00:04:07,230 closely resemble that of what we've seen 101 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:10,019 on Mars the composition is similar 102 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:12,380 there's some xrd evidence that these are 103 00:04:17,659 --> 00:04:15,720 at least the right type of material and 104 00:04:19,699 --> 00:04:17,669 then water release and evolved gas 105 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:19,709 analysis which is something that the Sam 106 00:04:26,210 --> 00:04:22,770 instrument on curiosity can do and has 107 00:04:27,750 --> 00:04:26,220 done so our synthetic and field analogs 108 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:27,760 can give us some insight 109 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:29,950 into both the terrestrial and Martian 110 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:31,630 materials and the reason we want insight 111 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:32,890 into the terrestrial materials is 112 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:36,010 because they're not particularly well 113 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:37,990 studied alifann has about a decade of 114 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:40,960 soil science research going into it it's 115 00:04:45,450 --> 00:04:42,580 fairly well constrained and everything 116 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:45,460 except kinetics Kissinger right almost 117 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:47,020 nobody's looked at it it's not very 118 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:48,880 common and it's not actually good for 119 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:50,770 much unlike Aleph in which you can use 120 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:54,490 in lots of industrial contexts so we're 121 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:55,930 taking a two-pronged approach towards 122 00:04:59,910 --> 00:04:58,330 this problem in the laboratory we're 123 00:05:02,520 --> 00:04:59,920 synthesizing the material using data 124 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:02,530 from chemin and apxs on board curiosity 125 00:05:07,170 --> 00:05:04,840 to constrain the elemental ratios of our 126 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:07,180 synthetic material and then as soon as 127 00:05:11,340 --> 00:05:08,140 we've made it we're going to immediately 128 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:11,350 dissolve it again performed using Mars 129 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:13,750 relevant conditions and I'll talk later 130 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:15,580 about what exactly those conditions are 131 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:18,760 our fieldwork thus far has been in 132 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:20,170 Griffith Park and the Klamath mountains 133 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:22,270 yes that is Griffith Park in California 134 00:05:26,580 --> 00:05:24,340 not the place you would expect to be a 135 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:26,590 Mars analog we're using those to 136 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:28,720 contextualise alifann and history right 137 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:30,670 see what the environments around them 138 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:32,440 are like how they behave in a natural 139 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:34,690 context and also investigating 140 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:36,340 transitions in mineralogy due to 141 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:41,260 weathering so synthesis we synthesized 142 00:05:46,830 --> 00:05:44,830 for hydrous amorphous alumina or ferric 143 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:46,840 silicates using the bacon method of 144 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:48,940 baker and strong i know there's a lot of 145 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:50,620 Colin's on this page don't worry about 146 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:52,960 them basically there's one that's just 147 00:06:00,690 --> 00:05:55,450 aluminum and silica in a one-to-one 148 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:00,700 ratio ala Fane varies between about 12 1 149 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:05,320 and 2 to 1 with aluminum being more than 150 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:07,690 silica and that two to one we did one 151 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:11,950 where we replaced one out of 99 of the 152 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:14,020 aluminum's with an iron we did one that 153 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:17,110 was half iron half aluminum and all 154 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:18,460 three of those were mentioned in the 155 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:20,290 baker and straw and paper the last one 156 00:06:24,540 --> 00:06:22,660 which is just iron and silica i decided 157 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:24,550 i wanted to do as just kind of an end 158 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:25,810 member to see what it looked like 159 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:27,190 because i didn't know what it would look 160 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:30,430 like and i was curious so there's a lot 161 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:32,260 of words on there the things in quotes 162 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:33,400 are what i'm going to be calling them 163 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:34,420 because it's what i've been calling them 164 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:38,410 for seven months so it's a sol-gel 165 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:40,240 process i don't know if any of you know 166 00:06:42,929 --> 00:06:41,289 what that means I'm not 167 00:06:46,589 --> 00:06:42,939 entirely sure what it means basically 168 00:06:52,409 --> 00:06:46,599 you put aluminum and iron in solution 169 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:52,419 you add an alcohol of silica which I'm 170 00:06:55,799 --> 00:06:53,529 just going to call toews because 171 00:06:58,859 --> 00:06:55,809 tetraethyl orthosilicate is too much of 172 00:07:01,320 --> 00:06:58,869 a mouthful for me you slowly add sodium 173 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:01,330 hydroxide hydrolyzed the TOS without 174 00:07:03,899 --> 00:07:02,680 forming silicon monomers which is 175 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:03,909 important because you don't want just 176 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:06,849 silica that's what you use that whoops 177 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:08,770 so we use that peristaltic pump up there 178 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:11,680 for takes a while but you don't have to 179 00:07:16,859 --> 00:07:14,080 do much and at the end you get this cool 180 00:07:18,929 --> 00:07:16,869 looking stuff you incubate it for seven 181 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,939 days to form colloids and then you wash 182 00:07:23,939 --> 00:07:20,770 all the stuff that isn't your product 183 00:07:26,249 --> 00:07:23,949 out of it so the dissolution experience 184 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:26,259 we haven't actually done yet we're using 185 00:07:29,489 --> 00:07:27,520 a bat we're going to use a batch reactor 186 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:29,499 set up to look at the effect of pH 187 00:07:35,299 --> 00:07:33,129 activity of water temperature as many of 188 00:07:37,649 --> 00:07:35,309 those as we can in the next five years 189 00:07:39,689 --> 00:07:37,659 the Mars relevant conditions we're using 190 00:07:42,179 --> 00:07:39,699 our the pH of Dara site formation which 191 00:07:43,409 --> 00:07:42,189 is around 3.5 we've chosen that because 192 00:07:45,209 --> 00:07:43,419 there's Jerry site on the Martian 193 00:07:48,209 --> 00:07:45,219 surface so presumably the pH was around 194 00:07:50,749 --> 00:07:48,219 3.5 at some point the pH measured by the 195 00:07:55,889 --> 00:07:50,759 Phoenix lander which is the between 196 00:07:57,209 --> 00:07:55,899 seven point four and eight so that we 197 00:07:58,369 --> 00:07:57,219 know for a fact is on the Martian 198 00:08:00,929 --> 00:07:58,379 surface because we've measured it there 199 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:00,939 and then if we have time we'll look at 200 00:08:05,189 --> 00:08:02,529 saturated Brian's and possible 201 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:05,199 hydrothermal effects using variations of 202 00:08:09,809 --> 00:08:07,930 temperature so for the field work which 203 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:09,819 is the exciting part we're looking at 204 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:12,209 the topanga formation in Griffith Park 205 00:08:18,119 --> 00:08:16,449 which is a basaltic generally we chose 206 00:08:20,609 --> 00:08:18,129 it because of a satellite study by Alan 207 00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:20,619 treiman in 2014 we looked at whether 208 00:08:28,019 --> 00:08:24,879 basalts inside vesicles or SAP a night 209 00:08:30,509 --> 00:08:28,029 clays inside basalt vesicles which are 210 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:30,519 Mars like take my word for it and then 211 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:32,680 also the Klamath mountains which again 212 00:08:41,069 --> 00:08:36,959 are basaltic like Mars young soils 213 00:08:42,540 --> 00:08:41,079 fairly moist fairly warm and it's high 214 00:08:44,819 --> 00:08:42,550 iron and low aluminum which is the 215 00:08:46,439 --> 00:08:44,829 important part it's like Mars this bit 216 00:08:49,949 --> 00:08:46,449 right here just means that we are likely 217 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:49,959 to find alifann or his injury so the 218 00:08:54,750 --> 00:08:52,720 beautiful Klamath mountains where we dug 219 00:08:57,630 --> 00:08:54,760 holes in the dirt 220 00:09:01,170 --> 00:08:57,640 and scenic griffith park where we dug 221 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:01,180 holes in the dirt and also got some SAP 222 00:09:07,830 --> 00:09:03,550 rock from road cuts and took a picture 223 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:07,840 with the Hollywood sign so from all of 224 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:09,820 this we got those samples we examine 225 00:09:14,060 --> 00:09:11,890 them with xrd evolved gas analysis 226 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:14,070 transmission electron microscopy 227 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:16,270 unfortunately we didn't actually find a 228 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:17,710 lot of amorphous materials which is not 229 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:19,780 what we were expecting there were some 230 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:23,680 hints in the xrd and the TEM but as far 231 00:09:27,030 --> 00:09:24,940 as I can tell from the data there's 232 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:27,040 likely less amorphous material in this 233 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:29,820 soil than there is in the Martian soil 234 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:33,070 but a lot more work is needed we haven't 235 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:34,990 actually done much with this and it's 236 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:36,670 all been in the last two weeks so 237 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:38,770 clearly there's more to be done in 238 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:40,510 relation to the laboratory work our 239 00:09:44,430 --> 00:09:41,950 synthetic material provided us with a 240 00:09:46,410 --> 00:09:44,440 basis for comparison so that we could 241 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:46,420 say you know is this the amorphous 242 00:09:53,610 --> 00:09:49,630 material we're looking for and the 243 00:09:56,190 --> 00:09:53,620 answer is probably not so sample 244 00:09:57,660 --> 00:09:56,200 analysis we did ftir on the lab samples 245 00:10:01,230 --> 00:09:57,670 just to confirm that it was a love Fame 246 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:01,240 also field-emission sem to confirm if it 247 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:03,250 was a low fame his and right to make 248 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,170 sure we made the right stuff before we 249 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:07,600 went looking in more detail then we also 250 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:11,230 did tem xrd EGA and upcoming we're going 251 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:13,870 to be doing some dissolutions on it so 252 00:10:18,830 --> 00:10:16,000 in the ftir this is from monterey 253 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:18,840 pelletier they synthesized alla fain 254 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:22,420 they found some good bands of this is 255 00:10:28,110 --> 00:10:24,460 water stretching waterbending and this 256 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:28,120 is silicon oxygen aluminum stretching 257 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:30,880 and our spectrum match pretty well with 258 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:32,680 that actually the scales are a little 259 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:35,680 different but they're all pretty much in 260 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:38,050 the right place so from this we decided 261 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:39,940 yeah we probably have alafaya and his 262 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:41,560 injure right i'm not sure what this 263 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:43,150 feature is but it gets bigger the more 264 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:44,590 iron you have so that's something that i 265 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:46,740 would like to look into in the future 266 00:10:54,030 --> 00:10:49,800 again field emission electron microscopy 267 00:10:56,370 --> 00:10:54,040 this is from Baker and strong you can 268 00:10:59,250 --> 00:10:56,380 see that kind of this fluffy stuff is 269 00:11:01,920 --> 00:10:59,260 probably nano balls our stuff is all so 270 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:01,930 fluffy and likely has nano balls so from 271 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:03,670 these two we decided yes we probably 272 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:06,640 made the right stuff so then at JSC 273 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:08,440 where I was for the last two weeks 274 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:10,720 we examined stuff with transmission 275 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:13,630 electron microscopy again this is our 276 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:15,490 stuff this is a different study done 277 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:18,070 previously they match pretty well this 278 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:20,860 is a field sample we looked through this 279 00:11:26,670 --> 00:11:24,550 field sample for three hours this was 280 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:26,680 the only grain we found that was 281 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:30,250 non-crystalline so that at least is 282 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:33,790 saying something it is not look like the 283 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:37,210 rest of the stuff so maybe not looking 284 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:39,880 so good for the field samples there's 285 00:11:45,630 --> 00:11:42,610 one at a more similar scale so in the 286 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,640 xrd this is the chemin data this is our 287 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:47,680 data this is reference for his injure 288 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:50,710 right again our stuff looks pretty 289 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:54,070 different this is you know a different 290 00:11:58,650 --> 00:11:56,770 instrument but a we're not seeing the 291 00:12:03,150 --> 00:11:58,660 same kind of Amorphis hump that we are 292 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:03,160 seeing in the in the chemin data this is 293 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:05,170 a different scale so that's a little 294 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:07,600 more similar it's kind of hard to tell 295 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:10,480 but I'm not too sure this stuff right 296 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:12,430 here is promising that means lots of 297 00:12:18,090 --> 00:12:15,550 small particles as far as I can tell so 298 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:18,100 it definitely needs more work the 299 00:12:22,410 --> 00:12:20,260 evolved gas analysis the synthetic stuff 300 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:22,420 that we did matches pretty well with 301 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:25,570 Mars so that's promising the field 302 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:27,340 samples not so great I'll have much 303 00:12:32,220 --> 00:12:30,520 higher temperature water releases so for 304 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:32,230 future work we need more rigorous study 305 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:34,990 of the field samples we're going to be 306 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:36,430 doing pyrophosphate and oxalate 307 00:12:40,470 --> 00:12:38,290 dissolutions to really nail down how 308 00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:40,480 much amorphous material is actually in 309 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:43,600 them to see if our other results are 310 00:12:50,010 --> 00:12:47,860 robust so that we know really you know 311 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:50,020 if we just are looking in the wrong 312 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:52,750 places and then the batch dissolution 313 00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:56,070 experiments to nail down you know or to 314 00:13:00,300 --> 00:12:57,870 investigate what these things look like 315 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:00,310 under Mars relevant conditions and how 316 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:03,760 they behave so in conclusion that's 317 00:13:07,950 --> 00:13:05,880 pretty much everything I talked about 318 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:07,960 and I know I said I wouldn't throw that 319 00:13:24,259 --> 00:13:10,450 sentence at you again but i did so i 320 00:13:30,299 --> 00:13:27,449 two quick questions first one um what 321 00:13:33,449 --> 00:13:30,309 xrd instrument are you using we used app 322 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:33,459 analytical xrd instrument at JSC we were 323 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:35,920 gonna use chemin but chemin is down you 324 00:13:41,069 --> 00:13:38,350 mean like a chemin test bed yes I came 325 00:13:43,499 --> 00:13:41,079 in for which I have a phone at JSC yeah 326 00:13:45,239 --> 00:13:43,509 okay and then my second question is um 327 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:45,249 you know since you didn't find a lot of 328 00:13:49,169 --> 00:13:47,049 alafaya orange right you know in the 329 00:13:50,340 --> 00:13:49,179 site do you have a backup field site 330 00:13:52,859 --> 00:13:50,350 that you guys are thinking about going 331 00:13:54,239 --> 00:13:52,869 to uh well you know I was thinking about 332 00:14:04,769 --> 00:13:54,249 that and I thought maybe New Zealand